Curse

RvGaTe · Aug 27, 2008, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Ok... i think almost everyone has to have this feeling about HA...

After a few hours of pve, just playing with friends and stuff, you feel like doing something more challenging. so you enter Heroes Ascent... and start looking for a group and open the party list:

glf r7+ infuser
glf r7+ pd and infuse
glf rank 7+
glf r3+
glf rc monk r7+
glf r6+ 2 rao 1 ele
glf r3+
glf hb y rc monk r6+

Now what i'm wondering is... why do people demand these stupid ranks... i wisper some of the team leaders, to say im not ranked, but have what they want... and tell me gently (in the most dis-respectfull way) to go back to PvE because im a noob without a rank. Or i get kicked for having the wrong build, and couldn't change it fast enough for them (time span: 4 secs)... or for having 1 particular skill still locked.

seriously, how are we no-ranked players ever going to get up to r3+? if we never get accepted in groups.

some people might say: "join a ha guild", "grind it", "join non-ranked groups"... but seriously... how do you expect someone who's in the same guild for years to just leave it and find another JUST for HA ?? and finding a non ranked group is a possibility, but i'm not going to spend an entire day finding that one group that can MAYBE win match and gain exactly 1 fame (r8 here we come?)...

i think this whole rank thing kills HA for newcomers... HA is not farming, its a different style of PvP... wich most people like, but are unable to play it because of elitism (if thats even a word). Why is it so hard to not kick that non-ranked person from your group for once, and see how it goes... and let them have fun to sometimes in HA....

ps. you meet the most ignorant people there aswell...

fenix · Aug 27, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

If there was unranked HA, it would be filled with horrible players playing against horrible players, and NO ONE would enjoy it.

It would be 8 man RA. Bad idea.

Neo Nugget · Aug 27, 2008, 02:42 AM // 02:42

People think that rank=skill and experience.
And they don't want people who don't have experience in HA. Nothing you can do about them.

You just have to find a guild or PuG that doesn't care about peoples ranks.

A HA guild would be your best bet, or if you don't want to leave your current guild, just ask your guildies if they want to set up a group. My guild is mainly PvE, but we HA sometimes, too

fenix · Aug 27, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Rank does = experience. It used to also = skill, but everyone is running shitway now so it doesn't.

Even still, I would take a rank 9 player over a lower rank ANY day, simply because they'd know how to play the maps better.

Marverick · Aug 27, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I've actually just been joining groups and just ignoring the rank requirements during the last double fame weekend. For about 90% of the groups, you will be asked to show your rank. But for the other 10% you can actually get by. And tbh, it's those groups that have the best chance of being successful anyway.

I did this with a few groups, and I got a good one that won halls once and got me 92 fame during the double fame weekend. Of course I didn't have much time to play this weekend but otherwise I could've easily gotten r3.

As long as you know what to do and don't play terribly, no one will notice once you get by the initial screening.

Arkantos · Aug 27, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

So, the problem is if you aren't rank 3+, you can't find a group.

Question: How is having an unranked HA going to solve this? It's not. It's also a horrible idea. As Fenix said, it's going to be bad people against bad people, with the occasional good team going there for shits, giggles and faction.

Longhair · Aug 27, 2008, 02:54 AM // 02:54

You do have a point that its hard to start. To get to r3 you have to really want it. Its true that its hard to get to r3. In my opinion its easiest to get some friends to come with you even if they dont know how to do HA. Go on pvxwiki and look at the builds for HA everyone uses them so its an easy way to find them. Observe alot that helps so much. Also you must know what the terminology is so do your research. Finally you have to understand that people dont want unranked people because their are some "pve noobs" that are not willing to learn and are a big nuisance so the ranked players but every unraked player in that "pve noob" category unfortunately (some unranked players actually are decent). Good Luck

rehehehreherhh · Aug 27, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

solution?

give everyone in the game 180 fame.

problem solved.

Tyla · Aug 27, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

People want the most experienced they can find. People play PvP to win, and that is why.

I agree with Fenix on the 8-man RA thing. Just work yourself up, build a friends list and get out of using gimmicks once you hit r6, to play more adept builds. PvP was never supposed to be an easy ride in competetive gaming.

Thizzle · Aug 27, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

The truth is Heroes' Ascent was created to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO new players.

credit · Aug 27, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

It basically just weeds out bad players, but unfortunately it also weeds out potential good players.

As suggested, join a guild that accepts unranked players.

Edit:

Or just befriend someone who is high rank and have him cover for you.

Hell Raiser · Aug 27, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

While I have never been a fan of the arrogant ego-inflated HA frequenters, I have to agree with the other posters; HA isn't the place to start PvPing. I'd say try TA and once you feel comfortable with your abilities (and maybe have a nice friends list of PvPers) try doing unranked pugs in HA (if they still exist, haven't been back in a while) to get a feel for it. And maybe try to get some guildies/friends to start a pug. It's a pain in the a$$ but once you get r3 I'm sure you'll be able to rank up alot easier.

fenix · Aug 27, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Do what we all did many years ago. Get a guild team, run a gimmicky build, or a balanced that will beat gimmicks, and get your rank high enough that you can join decent PuGs when you want.

God I M Stoned · Aug 27, 2008, 03:44 AM // 03:44

HA rank isn't stupid... its a way to rank players on HA experience and also on how they play the maps and strategy... a r4/5/6/7/8+++++++ will MOST LIKELY play better than an unranked/r3 player considering, they've won more HA maps... and i don't sympathize with whiners like you about not being able to get a good group and stuff.... because do you know what i did? i PUGged my way to r4... and it was horrible... so if you expect to get a free ride, you better have lots of $$$$ and high ranked friends or it ain't gonna happen buddy

God I M Stoned · Aug 27, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by RvGaTe

After a few hours of pve, just playing with friends and stuff, you feel like doing something more challenging.

Now what i'm wondering is... why do people demand these stupid ranks... i wisper some of the team leaders, to say im not ranked, but have what they want... and tell me gently (in the most dis-respectfull way) to go back to PvE because im a noob without a rank. Or i get kicked for having the wrong build, and couldn't change it fast enough for them (time span: 4 secs)... or for having 1 particular skill still locked.

seriously, how are we no-ranked players ever going to get up to r3+? if we never get accepted in groups.

some people might say: "join a ha guild", "grind it", "join non-ranked groups"... but seriously... how do you expect someone who's in the same guild for years to just leave it and find another JUST for HA ?? and finding a non ranked group is a possibility, but i'm not going to spend an entire day finding that one group that can MAYBE win match and gain exactly 1 fame (r8 here we come?)...

i think this whole rank thing kills HA for newcomers... HA is not farming, its a different style of PvP... wich most people like, but are unable to play it because of elitism (if thats even a word). Why is it so hard to not kick that non-ranked person from your group for once, and see how it goes... and let them have fun to sometimes in HA....

1]how the hell do you play pve for hours?
2]builds don't work unless you have the right skills... could you imagine an HB monk without oh lets say,,, infuse? you would epic phail against spikes.
3] rank DOES have something to do with HA experience... go figure...
4]its called an unranked group... i know they are practically extinct so you MIGHT have to go out on a limb and make one? or make a friend... for once... in your life...
5] personally i find it utterly pathetic that you are that emotionally attatched to a guild that you can't move on.... pls go back to preschool where everyone was besties 4 lyfe
6]it doesn't kill HA for newcomers it just gives them realistic expectations of what HA is like... if you think everyone there is a powderpuff ball just waiting to be pushed aside like all those margonites from pveland, you're sadly mistaken

Marverick · Aug 27, 2008, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by God I M Stoned

HA rank isn't stupid... its a way to rank players on HA experience and also on how they play the maps and strategy... a r4/5/6/7/8+++++++ will MOST LIKELY play better than an unranked/r3 player considering, they've won more HA maps... and i don't sympathize with whiners like you about not being able to get a good group and stuff.... because do you know what i did? i PUGged my way to r4... and it was horrible... so if you expect to get a free ride, you better have lots of $$$$ and high ranked friends or it ain't gonna happen buddy

Guess what... if it takes you 8 ranks to learn how to play, then I don't want to group with you anyway. So thanks for advertising yourself as an idiot by saying GLF R8++ only, because now I have one less traumatic experience to go through.

I agree with r3 being *most likely* better than r0, but the difference between r3 and above is marginal at best, provided the r3 didn't HWay his rank, and if he did, what's to prevent him from HWaying r8?

Hell Raiser · Aug 27, 2008, 04:44 AM // 04:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by God I M Stoned

...

I'll respond by quoting myself...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

the arrogant ego-inflated HA frequenters

I think we can add "ignorant" to that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

1]How the hell do you HA for more than 1 run, it's just a shitfest.
2] If you read his post correctly you'd know that he has everything for the proper builds, but his group didn't give him a chance to reroll/change/etc.
3]Rank Means shit.
4]How do you expect unranked players who haven't had the opportunity to HA at a decent level to forum their own group, wiki only goes so far.
5]You build synergy between players when you play with them often, but go ahead and keep joining guilds that die and reform every 3 days.
6]Wut?

This sums it up nicely.

On topic: Creating an unranked HA won't solve any problems, but I guess it wouldn't be too bad for practice (if you mean like an unrated GvG). But really if you're seriously interested in getting into PvP I'd say you might be better off in a different arena. GvG is quite fun, and since you'd be with your guild you wouldn't have to deal with many idiots. RA/AB/CM aren't really considered serious PvP, but you can join in with ease (sometimes you have to deal with idiots though) and it can be a nice way to meet people.

pumpkin pie · Aug 27, 2008, 05:52 AM // 05:52

1) put all these builds in your template folder for a start, load and read them, see which one you can run, learn the build.

2) read some good tips, here is one for a start.

3) don't pm ranked group, it will only make you hate HA. look for unranked, random group, get a feel of what its like in HA, if anything, its not like what we do in PvE where you have control over almost everything, like take a rest before your energy get back up, et cetera, you also will be confuse as to who are your target. lots of things you have to get use to and and then there's the switching weapons in different occassion, learning what 8 other players are doing, and why suddenly your energy can't go up, or suddenly your dead.

4) if you cannot run or have skills still locked, it does look very bad. one would start wander if you have all the add on and runes unlocked as well? and can you bring all the weapons sets required? et cetera

5) i am actually not the one to give you pointers, you may do so in the noobie in HA thread, i find most of the advise and tips are very useful.

lastly, sorry this has to be an /unsigned

like you once, i hope there are unranked HA but like many above have stated, it will only be bad players that have absolutely no idea what they are doing fighting against each other.

I am quite fortunate, as I have been in ranked group, and believe me ranked group is all about organised, working together, and the caller knows every map that are loaded and usually will tell the rest of the group what to do on different maps. and have to know all the strategy. and which teammate have to take care of which opponent.

Scf Blacknight · Aug 27, 2008, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

Rank does = experience.

Clearly. Note that there is easily 10 threads on these forums for fame farming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by credit

3]Rank Means shit.

Sooner people understand this, the better.

After all of the double fame weekends that have come and passed, somebody who hardly does any PvP could have r6/7+ if they had the money for it.

Rothan Celt · Aug 27, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

If there was unranked HA, it would be filled with horrible players playing against horrible players, and NO ONE would enjoy it.

It would be 8 man RA. Bad idea.

Fair point...

Ranks in the long run don't mean nothing i know plenty of 3 year experienced players who dnt have rank 3

but you really can not blame a high ranker only wanting to team with other high rankers.... if you want to do HA and your a low rank the 'Only' way to succeed is to find or start a beginners HA guild there are plenty advertising on guru my advice search the pvp guild forum. Or get a new HA alliance.

Oh and
/notsigned it really would be a 8 man RA